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Post by dannythm on Dec 20, 2016 22:22:49 GMT
Alright friends, link is up on the FB page. Enjoy. Thank you A LOT. The intro with the scenes from the battles and the rock was damned good. made me want to re-read the whole series again. (Still haven't watched the whole thing)
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Post by shenlong on Dec 20, 2016 22:48:17 GMT
GUYS GUYS GUYS! WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS? Well, The Incredible Adventures of Dogeza Man obviously. I mean, I don't see what else it could be.
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Post by onepenguin0 on Dec 21, 2016 0:00:10 GMT
It's Dogesen (and it's also in the Baki mega). Written by Itagaki, I think partially drawn by him. Some other guy is the 'primary' artist. It's just about the strength that comes from being humble, iirc. www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=59700
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Post by dannythm on Dec 21, 2016 8:56:02 GMT
It's Dogesen (and it's also in the Baki mega). Written by Itagaki, I think partially drawn by him. Some other guy is the 'primary' artist. It's just about the strength that comes from being humble, iirc. www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=59700Well it looks really interesting and from what I've seen on my google fu what Itakagi did is a prequel of 3 volumes for an ongoing series that is called Dogsen R which is carried by another author. If you guys have the capacity I'd love to see it scanlated, but I know how busy all of you are. Also congrats, on the last rlease of Dou I see you maanged to find a redrawer, let's hope he lasts.
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Post by onepenguin0 on Dec 21, 2016 17:20:54 GMT
It's Dogesen (and it's also in the Baki mega). Written by Itagaki, I think partially drawn by him. Some other guy is the 'primary' artist. It's just about the strength that comes from being humble, iirc. www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=59700Well it looks really interesting and from what I've seen on my google fu what Itakagi did is a prequel of 3 volumes for an ongoing series that is called Dogsen R which is carried by another author. If you guys have the capacity I'd love to see it scanlated, but I know how busy all of you are. Also congrats, on the last rlease of Dou I see you maanged to find a redrawer, let's hope he lasts. Dogesen R is a sequel; the "R" is short for "Returns". Pretty sure that one is exclusively done by the other author/artist. Anyway, I'll see what can/can't be done about scanlating it. Honestly, I'd much rather hand it off to Illuminati or some other more-capable group; the way it's written/scanned makes it somewhat harder for a small group like us to do it justice. Problem there would be in convincing them to do it... And yeah, I'm glad to have a redraw partner, too. Lot of stress off my shoulders. Hoping for faster releases now that he's around. That being said, I dunno if you all got the memo: volume 15 is being released on January 6th (presumably due to peaked current hype). It'll cover up to chapter 134, which is the hospital chapter after the end of the Motobe vs Musashi fight. Y'all hyped for decent quality scans of the fight of the series? We'll finally have scanlations of those chapters, rather than my 4chan translations alongside them 6,000 year-old poorly scanned, dimly-lit berry dye cave scrawls. Still no release date on the anime, which is annoying.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 26, 2016 14:12:17 GMT
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Post by dannythm on Dec 27, 2016 15:26:22 GMT
Weird chapter, but I highly doubt Musashi is going to die here, I think musashi is just thanking Tokugawa for the chance he has given him to be able to shine again, or some shit.
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Post by ovimaister on Dec 27, 2016 21:18:12 GMT
It seems that we are going into the musashi vrs. the world goverments business, which is the only logical conclusion if he wishes to be recognized as one of the strongest out there. If anything it is the only way for him to be noticed as the strongest. Of course, this may lead to the USA seeing him as a threat and then sending after him one man, bigger and stronger, the master of all fighting styles, the only one who can stop him... motobe.
Also, I dont know if I should be writing this, but the baki 2016 OVA is out there RAW on youtube. The animation in within itself is pretty dope if you ask me. At least being familiar with the manga let me understand what everyone was saying.
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Post by onepenguin0 on Dec 29, 2016 23:51:58 GMT
139 translation, par ma courtoisie: desuarchive.org/a/thread/151551676/Nobody who likes Baki seems to care about poetry or fine literature. That makes me sad. We should be pushing out a few new chapters of whatever on SpinyBack soon enough. Despair not, for we are soon to catch up with the dipshit gaps in translation that as cumbersome and unbecoming holes in our roof act and, in surpassing them, shall we e'er soar closer to the goal of actually having scanlations caught-up to the raw manga. For the time being though, the community must continue to rely on these meagre scraps.
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Post by dannythm on Dec 30, 2016 10:47:26 GMT
Nobody who likes Baki seems to care about poetry or fine literature. That makes me sad. THe other day I made a thread to compare Vagabond's Musashi with Baki's Musashi, because I think there are both very accurate visions of the same persona, and both exaggerated in their own ways o satisfy the type of story they have been written into, and everyone was saying that Vagabond was best because... it was the better series, and it really emphasized a fact that I have already known for a while, and that is that almost nobody really understands Baki and what Itagaki is going for, because he delivers on what he wants to do as well or even better than what Inoue does with Vagabond. And the same happened to me while discussing Hokuto no ken and Souten no ken, almost nobody understands Tetsuo Hara's writing. It's not something to be taken as face value, they are not serious manga, they just want to play around and over exaggerate to have fun exploring the concept of masculine friendship, strength and competition in a way no realistic manga can ever do. And if the readers cannot even grasp that, how can you ask them to understand poetry or fine literature, concepts that have been present in Baki since... ever? I'm so sad to see most of the readers giving so little credit to Itagaki just because he is not "artsy" (even though his drawing style is completely based on classical japanese art).
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Post by ovimaister on Dec 30, 2016 19:12:10 GMT
Nobody who likes Baki seems to care about poetry or fine literature. That makes me sad. THe other day I made a thread to compare Vagabond's Musashi with Baki's Musashi, because I think there are both very accurate visions of the same persona, and both exaggerated in their own ways o satisfy the type of story they have been written into, and everyone was saying that Vagabond was best because... it was the better series, and it really emphasized a fact that I have already known for a while, and that is that almost nobody really understands Baki and what Itagaki is going for, because he delivers on what he wants to do as well or even better than what Inoue does with Vagabond. And the same happened to me while discussing Hokuto no ken and Souten no ken, almost nobody understands Tetsuo Hara's writing. It's not something to be taken as face value, they are not serious manga, they just want to play around and over exaggerate to have fun exploring the concept of masculine friendship, strength and competition in a way no realistic manga can ever do. And if the readers cannot even grasp that, how can you ask them to understand poetry or fine literature, concepts that have been present in Baki since... ever? I'm so sad to see most of the readers giving so little credit to Itagaki just because he is not "artsy" (even though his drawing style is completely based on classical japanese art). Thing is, if we are to see anything poetic from this medium, then we must examine the prose in which is written and how would it fit with the any other dialogue. I, for one, cannot give any sense of opinion on that since I cant read fucking Japanese. The only thing we plebs can take into relevance is consistency, storytelling and character development. The very basic things that make up any kind of medium that conveys a story. Manga and anime in general tend to suck in at least one of these, which is why you are not going to get much of a connoisseur audience, like you get in cinema for example, and is reflected by the very, VERY stubborn fan base. Very rarely you get a masterpiece, but it lies in the fact that manga writers tend to be more artists than anything else, Ashita no Joe is great since it had a writer AND an artist, by I digress. What I'm trying to say is that a very objective way to say, "this is better than this", would be to ask if the story fulfills the basic requirements of storytelling and if both do, try to set up a case. And this is why i cannot compare vagabond to baki, vagabond is well written, baki isn't. Riddle me this, does vagabond has plotholes? It sure as hell is slow, and I cannot stand the fact that takezo repeats the same line a thousand times before something happens, but everything is in place. The characters have clear motivations, we know were they come and where they will end, and premonitions are well placed. The art is beautiful too. Now on to baki.... dude... this is fight porn... porn has no good story. That pizza delivery guy, all we know is he has a big dick and that is all we want to know. Does baki have plot holes? Fuck yeah. The latest outrage was how motobe is now god and this is a fact that I'm still going to shitpost HARD. Hell, the bakiverse is so inconsistent that i bet someone will fire a gun and the planet will explode because the air was pure hydrogen or some shit. Character development is crap since all everyone can say is "I STRONG NOW", and there were only two characters in the whole cast with enough development to be likeable, baki on the child arc (then he wasn't so interesting), and yurijo, who is universally loved, since everything he does speaks volumes. I canĀ“t think of a series whose antagonist i have so eagerly rooted for. Takezo wants to be strong, but the guy doubts and is haunted for all those he has killed, the struggle to be strong goes far and beyond what baki ever wanted to convey. In conclusion, i refuse to compare a well written story to a graffiti on the wall with human spiders that I jack off to. Both musashis are not the same. If you were to ask, what story do you expect to see is conclusion more, that is vagabond. BUT, if you ask me, which one i have more fun reading, that is baki... hands down. Baki has to be one of my favorite manga/anime of all time. But i cant compare things that are so different.... one teaches strength, the value of life and the struggles of an idea which must be weighted day by day... the other makes trump jokes.
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Post by shenlong on Dec 31, 2016 12:52:22 GMT
As much as I appreciate solid storytelling, I don't think "fulfilling the basic requirements of storytelling" is such a good criteria to gauge the relevance of a certain work. Storytelling is one thing, but following a certain set of more or less arbitrary rules of it only means you'll be within the commonly accepted bounds of what stories look like nowadays, meaning it'll be easier to follow for the audience because that's what they'll be used to.
I don't want to sound patronizing, but when it comes to movies for example, I get the feeling that American critics mostly seem to look at movies' storytelling, characters and visuals. A movie is more than those three things. A good, well written story is just that, a story, a scenario. Even with good visuals, a great story will fall flat with bad directing. It's now about how good the parts are, but how well they fit together, and in cinema, one of the key elements is the directing. You can have a very average story, but with clever and creative directing it can take up a whole new dimension.
The same way, a book owes much to its merits to the style used. A novel isn't a vessel for conveying a story, it's an object in itself and no part of it is superfluous or negligible.
Comics are like that of course. There's more than just a story. I agree that Baki could be described as fight porn since it's a phrase I used myself. But the merits of Baki as a comic aren't contained in its story. Honestly, the basic story itself is pretty much shit and almost all the arcs can be summed up as A comes into town to wreck shit until B decides to step in and fight A. But Baki is about more than that. The drawing style tells us a lot. Itagaki's work of basing his art on Ukiyoe and other traditionnal Japanese graphic forms is an end of its own, not a means of telling a coherent story. The phrase fight porn makes it sound dumb and crass, but there's no saying porn can't be art too.
I've never really taken the time to try and see if I could have much to say about Baki as a comic, which is due in no small part to the state in which we receive it, namely scanlation. For one, I'm thinking we're losing quite a bit in the typography department from the original Japanese signs, but that's inevitable unless we're speaking Japanese so... Anyway, I'm not simply reading Baki because it looks pretty or you have naked men beating the shit out of each other. It is a manga that is flawed and gives no shit about the coherence of its world, but that does create something too. There's something to be said about Baki. It's certainly more graphically daring that most other manga out there.
I sometimes really like "flawed" works that do one thing really good, but are a bit unbalanced in other aspects. Sometimes, I feel there's more to tell about those than about really polished works. Like with the Persona games, I played 3 and 4 and liked 3 better. One of the reasons is that 4 gave me the choice to control each party member individually while in 3, they were always controlled by the AI. In Persona 3, I raged loike crazy at the stupid ass decisions the AI members were taking in combat. So of course, in 4, I switched to manual because I'm not fucking stupid. It worked, better, but at the same time, the dumbfuck AI of persona 3 made me feel like those party members were really actual characters who were fighting with me, and who were idiots, and so I felt more invested personally.
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Post by dannythm on Dec 31, 2016 12:59:12 GMT
Ohh i agree and you make very good points, but you seem to be ignoring one fact, Vagabond has a writer and one artist, because it is based on the book Musashi, by Eiji Yoshikawa, and regardless of that, it is indeed very well developed but my point is, why consider one better than the other? Both series within the same medium convey the authors intent perfectly, Itagaki wants to have fun, and the core of Baki is his characteristic art style, the constant jokes, the over the top characters and the fun fights, all elements present and consistent since the first page of Baki, and that is what makes it a good series it doesn't need an intricate plot or time-line consistency to deliver that. Anyone analyzing those elements over the others, then whoever does is not getting Baki at all (and same, for example, with Hokuto No Ken), or just want to bash it. Also, can you cite any better "porn fight" manga other than Baki, or any other of Itagaki's works? Tough is close but it lacks humor and it's too focused on grappling and well, magic, Minoru is too centered on a small cast of fighters that all of them use the same style, Ippo is not "fight porn", Hokuto No ken and Souten No ken are closer to Dragon Ball and the likes than to a proper martial arts manga, and I could goo on, so why is that? Because Itagaki excels in what he does and enjoys doing it way too much in the same way inoue does with Vagabond, the main difference is, they both aim for different goals with their manga. You are hitting the nail, Baki omits certain elements because it wants to focus elsewhere, and that does not make it flawed, it's just the way Itagaki chooses to present his word, he's not interested on those aspects so he consciously ignores them or plays with them, like with the Hillary/Trump chapters (in contrast we could have Ippo where Morikawa keeps the story perfectly contained in the 199x years because for the story he wants to tell, that is an important part so show the growth of the characters). Flawed would be if he wasn't conscious of it and was making mistakes because of that.
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Post by dannythm on Jan 5, 2017 9:41:47 GMT
Thank you spiny team for chapter 112, was a neat surprise this morning. I loved the trolling faces of musashi through the whole chapter, and Gaia's moe face in page 18.
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Post by onepenguin0 on Jan 6, 2017 16:57:59 GMT
In recent releases: Volume 15 of Dou, the volume finale of Motobe vs Musashi! Came out today; I stuck it in the mega. mega.nz/#F!65ZDUAJZ!ptb6mC7eFhUasATnzhD_UA And then Grappler Baki 190. spinybackmanga.com/mangalove/manga/grappler-baki/190And then, as Danny mentioned, Dou 112 came out. spinybackmanga.com/mangalove/manga/baki-dou/112Dou 113 should be out pretty soon, too. Dunno about 114 yet - it's a fucking awful redraw for *anyone*. Trying to do what I can to get us caught up to the Japanese publication. Two and a half volumes behind and counting!
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