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Post by dannythm on May 11, 2020 19:54:22 GMT
Will Yujiro make an interference again and we'll se a Sukune vs Yujiro match?
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Post by jedah on May 11, 2020 23:23:50 GMT
I think Doppo is going to lose, because if he wins they would will have two victories and, since I don't think neither Baki or Sukune will lose their fights, that would make Katsumi and Hanayama lose theirs, because otherwise we will have another Raitai Tournament where they continue fighting despite the fact that one of the two teams has already been defeated. I just re-read Baki vs. Yujiro, and the amount of punishment Baki took, and dished out, is just totally absurd. No Grand Sumo rikishi (or anybody, really) is even in the same universe. and that was -before- he upgraded to the point that he could defeat Musashi. Baki isn't gonna lose.
Katsumi could lose. Hanayama, maybe, but very unlikely.
Sukune, probably not, otherwise what would be the point of introducing him?
Just because I'm a fanboy, I don't want to consider that Doppo could lose, since he's so much fun to watch, and he got shafted by Musashi. Doppo deserves a win after being humiliated. However, the Professor looks formidable, so it could go either way.
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Post by ungora on May 12, 2020 12:36:07 GMT
From his demonstrations to Baki several chapters ago, it looks like Doppo has not only experience in sumo but experience in fighting with a sumo rikkishi. So of all the non-Baki level grapplers i would think Doppo would be at least the one with the most chances to win. Though i expected Shibukawa to lose with all the pre-match talk about limits of Aiki, but then the author decided to transform him into the Street Fighter 2 flying and head-press boss to win the match with the giant sumo guy  , so who knows how Doppo vs the sumo professor will turn out. |
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Post by jedah on May 12, 2020 16:45:14 GMT
ungora, true, that's a good point.
Doppo is so awesome and fearless that he grinned that giant Doppo smile as Musashi was about to slice him in half. Does the Professor know what he's gotten himself into here? lol
My guess is the Professor will seal off his punches, and turn it into a locking/grappling match, combat at super close range. Once one of the Professor's ribs have been busted into pieces from being on the receiving end of Doppo's punches, he'll have no other choice but to lock off his strikes. A mid-to-long range battle favors Doppo way too much.
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Post by dannythm on May 12, 2020 20:06:17 GMT
Katsumi can't lose either, that would look terrible on a story telling perspective after he got Retsu's arm and a dedicated chapter to enforce the fact that he does not feel any rejection or anything weird by having it.
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Post by jedah on May 12, 2020 20:37:19 GMT
Will Yujiro make an interference again and we'll se a Sukune vs Yujiro match? I hope so. That would be a near perfect finale. Baki already proved what he can do against his father and Musashi, he doesn't need to be in the final fight, necessarily.
As far as the outcome of Katsumi's match goes, I don't know. On the one hand, Kaku Kaioh taught him super high level techniques to make him way stronger and faster. He was strong enough to inflict some level of damage on Pickle, I don't see how any rikishi or human being (excluding Hanmas) is more durable than that.
On the other hand, it's Katsumi, and he's pretty arrogant, and that could work against him. Maybe inheriting Retsu's arm will allow him to mature? That would be a cool development. Yujiro once laughed him off as a weakling who overestimated his own strength. It would be fun to see Yujiro change his tune after seeing a matured Katsumi battle.
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Post by onepenguin0 on May 12, 2020 23:19:12 GMT
Katsumi can't lose either, that would look terrible on a story telling perspective after he got Retsu's arm and a dedicated chapter to enforce the fact that he does not feel any rejection or anything weird by having it. My prediction is that Shishimaru is going to be the first of the rikishi to think 'We keep losing by fighting under sumo rules! Well, I'm not stupid like the other guys, heh. I'm going to surprise this guy by not fighting under sumo rules from the start!' and get erased instantaneously. He just has that sort of look on his face.
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Post by jettatore on May 13, 2020 3:52:30 GMT
Perhaps Katsumi will fight at times with his fighting style, and at others with Retsu's, as a way to honor him and demonstrate everything he learned with him. I just hope that if he do something like that he won't be possessed by the spirit of Retsu.
I also thought that Shibukawa was going to be defeated, as a way to show how Sumo wrestlers are opponents to be feared, but Itagaki showed us something very similar even with his victory against Kyogei.
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Post by dannythm on May 13, 2020 20:11:38 GMT
My prediction is that Shishimaru is going to be the first of the rikishi to think 'We keep losing by fighting under sumo rules! Well, I'm not stupid like the other guys, heh. I'm going to surprise this guy by not fighting under sumo rules from the start!' and get erased instantaneously. He just has that sort of look on his face.
That would be a very Itagaki thing to do. Also I don't think Katsumi will mature anytime soon, and I still see him weaker than Doppo. |
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Post by shenlong on May 14, 2020 8:43:40 GMT
Hey come on, Katsumi has to have at least one clean cut important win in this series at some point. Seriously, I cannot remember him winning an actually big fights since Hanayama in the maximum tournament. Then, he was wtfpwnd by Retsu, and from there, all really tough fights that needed a Karateka went to Doppo, except for Pickle who he ultimately couldn't truly hurt. I'm trying to recall how things went with Dorian. Doppo did most of the heavy lifting and one of the other shinshinshinshinshinkai dudes really tried messing with him for long while before losing, but I don't recall Katsumi being a huge part of that.
Dude needs some love. He used to be an asshat, got rekt for it, but he eventually proved eveyone how much he was willing to put on the line and really did get wiser since then. Besides, since he has Retsu's arm, won't it count as another loss for Retsu as well ? Come on, give the guys a break !
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Post by ungora on May 14, 2020 14:19:07 GMT
I like how Katsumi went through a real character development through the Baki books, starting with the super arrogant guy in the tournament then shown his place by Yujiro (and forced to stay humble or be killed on spot) then under the influence of Retsu that joined him started to finally ground himself and improve his own inner self.
I guess the loss of his arm also played a role into humbling him during this period.
Retsu death must have been the most painfull for Katsumi considering the role Retsu played in reshapping his character and views of the world.
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Post by dannythm on May 14, 2020 19:43:29 GMT
I'm picturing Itagaki in the 90's thinking "how can I top that joint thing with Katsumi?"  |
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Post by jedah on May 19, 2020 20:19:18 GMT
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Post by shenlong on May 19, 2020 21:44:13 GMT
Damn, it's not looking good for the rikishi.
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Post by jedah on May 20, 2020 14:24:42 GMT
Damn, it's not looking good for the rikishi. In the last panel, it looks like the Professor is going to grab Doppo's leg. If the rikishi can close the distance and keep Doppo's movements sealed off, he could potentially turn this around.
We don't know how tough the Professor is yet, but he's presumably pretty damn strong if he's "the sumo master."
Still, Doppo made mincemeat of Dorian, who was significantly larger than him. Those strikes should hurt.
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, so who knows how Doppo vs the sumo professor will turn out.
