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Post by boi on Jul 13, 2016 23:18:54 GMT
I wonder if the manga will ever show Pickle using actual techniques, or if he will continue to rely on "pure strength." Honestly, this series always seemed to be about using all the techniques you have, until Son of Ogre, where Baki purposely stopped using any actual techniques against Pickle, and eventually Yujiro. He lost when he did that.
Although it's true that Yujiro never needed to use techniques, it's because he's Yujiro. He was always the outlier.
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Post by onepenguin0 on Jul 14, 2016 3:32:06 GMT
Technically, Pickle has used techniques twice. First against Yuujiro on the military base, and then to "win" against Baki. Given that the second one was out of pure desperation, I can see him using some sort of technique in this fight.
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Post by shenlong on Jul 20, 2016 22:14:20 GMT
New raw is out blog.yuncomics.com/archives/1730467Shit is getting brutal. Looks like Musashi just cut off Pickle's kneecaps, elbows and shoulders. That should end the fight unless they're not actually cut OFF, which sounds impossible since they're splurting blood all over. That's a damn good sword too, Pickle just slammed it twice through the ground and there's not a dent on it. |
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Post by dannythm on Jul 21, 2016 14:27:32 GMT
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Post by onepenguin0 on Jul 23, 2016 2:48:35 GMT
Something I've noticed about Dou is that Itagaki has gone out of his way to replicate situations or ideas that were stressed in the first series but were abandoned or superseded later on. Danny's thing applies to not only this fight, but to the Motobe vs Jack one - Motobe smashed out Jack's eye + legs before going to work on the rest of him. Also, there's the recurrence of the "I've killed you x times" with Musashi, Motobe, etc. as seen here. Further, in the first series it is stated that the Kourakuen fighters are ranked; it's implied that there's dozens of them that we just never see but who compete outside of the manga's eye, and that notion is never brought up again: the audience members to this Pickle vs Musashi fight may just flatly be some of those other Kourakuen fighters. There's several more examples that exist, but I can't remember them for the life of me. I just think it's neat that Itagaki's "bringing us back to the beginning", as it were.   |
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Post by onepenguin0 on Jul 25, 2016 12:09:34 GMT
Quick translations for chapter 118 here, plus a delightful poem of my choosing: desuarchive.org/a/thread/144679713/According to my pocket watch, Korean scans of 119 should be out in 3 days. According to my hand-pocket watch, SpinyBack will return to its regular release schedule on Wednesday or so. Hurrah. |
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Post by dannythm on Jul 25, 2016 17:19:33 GMT
Quick translations for chapter 118 here, plus a delightful poem of my choosing: desuarchive.org/a/thread/144679713/According to my pocket watch, Korean scans of 119 should be out in 3 days. According to my hand-pocket watch, SpinyBack will return to its regular release schedule on Wednesday or so. Hurrah. welp, 119 is here. blog.yuncomics.com/archives/1733376How the fuck did musashi NOT cut the bone but left all those wounds? |
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Post by onepenguin0 on Jul 25, 2016 20:30:44 GMT
Huh, gotta fix my pocket watch then.
I was wondering the same thing from the end of the last chapter, but I figured it might have been that he managed to cut those joints or some shit. This chapter denies that, and leaves me more confused. Then again, Musashi seems confused, too. Whatever; we'll find out eventually.
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Post by dannythm on Jul 25, 2016 21:38:54 GMT
Given how the chapter ended... I think we'll know next week.
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Post by dannythm on Jul 28, 2016 18:11:10 GMT
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Post by ungora on Jul 29, 2016 22:17:40 GMT
Hello,
Nice to see there is a place for the Baki discussions after the demise of dynamiteglove.
A bit sad though to see that Baki Dou is still about Itagaki's jobbing all his cast to his "Musashi is the bestest ever" obsession. Would be more acceptable i guess if Musashi was interesting, but in Baki Dou he's not anymore after the initial spike of interest of a middle age swordsman revived into modern time.
I really miss the past series in which even despite having an overpowered unbeatable character floating around, the story still focused on interesting fights and characters.
The chapter 106 with Musashi shown as being equal to Pickle in term of pure strength was so incredibly bad i was speechless there, Itagaki will really have to make something awesome again to win me if he is still going to insist as having Musashi as the main focus of this serie.
But having his Musashi slashing Pickle as he's doing in recent chapter isn't really that.
I guess the problem that the story encounter is that Itagaki made the 2 unbeatable and strongest character already fight in early chapter, and without really going all the way in epic like it happened in the end of son of ogre.
So now we're left with an unbeatable character just walking around and drinking booze to pass time, while the other unbeatable character fight other guys that are much inferior to him, not really making things interesting.
And what about Baki, after being ridiculed in his confrontation with Musashi (really, the same Baki that gave Yujiro a run for his money ? ), one would have expected him to try to create some funny Itagaki-like technique like when he was preparing for Son of Ogre , but he did nothing at all , not interested in fighting a powerful opponent anymore ?
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Post by onepenguin0 on Jul 30, 2016 22:34:50 GMT
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Post by shenlong on Jul 30, 2016 23:38:29 GMT
Just how old is Tokugawa for him to already be an old fart back when Yuchiro was aparently fairly young ? And Doppo for that matter ? I guess both Yuichiro and Yujiro had kids at a really young age.
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Post by dannythm on Jul 31, 2016 21:25:06 GMT
Hello, Nice to see there is a place for the Baki discussions after the demise of dynamiteglove. A bit sad though to see that Baki Dou is still about Itagaki's jobbing all his cast to his "Musashi is the bestest ever" obsession. Would be more acceptable i guess if Musashi was interesting, but in Baki Dou he's not anymore after the initial spike of interest of a middle age swordsman revived into modern time. I really miss the past series in which even despite having an overpowered unbeatable character floating around, the story still focused on interesting fights and characters. The chapter 106 with Musashi shown as being equal to Pickle in term of pure strength was so incredibly bad i was speechless there, Itagaki will really have to make something awesome again to win me if he is still going to insist as having Musashi as the main focus of this serie. But having his Musashi slashing Pickle as he's doing in recent chapter isn't really that. I guess the problem that the story encounter is that Itagaki made the 2 unbeatable and strongest character already fight in early chapter, and without really going all the way in epic like it happened in the end of son of ogre. So now we're left with an unbeatable character just walking around and drinking booze to pass time, while the other unbeatable character fight other guys that are much inferior to him, not really making things interesting. And what about Baki, after being ridiculed in his confrontation with Musashi (really, the same Baki that gave Yujiro a run for his money ? ), one would have expected him to try to create some funny Itagaki-like technique like when he was preparing for Son of Ogre , but he did nothing at all , not interested in fighting a powerful opponent anymore ? Well we all agree that Musashi is a little "monotone" but I think that just Itakagi fuckign wit us with all the theme about "boredom" which was the opening for this arc. But in my opinion musashi is a great addition to the series, even if Itakagi is breaking his code of "weapons are useless" that he upheld for 20ish years of serialization, I really like that he is using his strength for a mean, that si to attain notoriety and fame, not just as a goal itself. On the father and son fight, Baki was nowhere near to give his father a run for his money, Yujiro could have killed Baki several times but he chose not to. Yujiro sustained no injury in that fight as fun as it was to read, Baki was completely overpowered and overshadowed, and his encounter with musashi just reflects what would have happened if Yujiro wasn't fuckign around. It was great, good job as always! I cannot see where this is going, but I guess it's going to be short stories about young Doppo going wild, which sounds awesome. Just how old is Tokugawa for him to already be an old fart back when Yuchiro was apparently fairly young ? And Doppo for that matter ? I guess both Yuichiro and Yujiro had kids at a really young age. Doppo should be in is 20's, I'd say 23-24, so that would make tokugawa be around 50-60 as I'm assuming he is about 70-80 in the main timeline. Yujiro had Jack with 16 and Baki with 19 years old, Yuichiro may probably have done the same, but he is apparently more gentle, so he probably was not raping women left and right like yujiro apparently does.  |
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Post by shenlong on Jul 31, 2016 23:24:03 GMT
Doppo should be in is 20's, I'd say 23-24 Sounds fair. Guess the dude always looked old. But wait a minute, that short story is clearly based on the Rikidouzan/Kimura feud match where Rikidouzan (a pro-wrestler) allegedly started fighting for real during a match with judo legend Masahiko Kimura and KO'd him when they had agreed to have a draw (the fighting for real seems legit to me, the video is prett brutal www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtwqmU2eV6M ). Anyway, that stuff happened in 1954, but I guess the Baki version (with Yuichiro as Kimura) could have taken place later. Yuichiro was judo throwing US soldiers into the ground in 1945 just after the end of the war, though. So him fighting Rikigouzan could very well have happened in 54. Let's be kind to Tokugawa and admit he's 50 at the time. That means he's over 100 years old by the end of Son of Ogre because Obama was the US president at the time and he got elected in 2008. That also means that if Doppo was 20 in 1954, he must be over 70 in SoO. Anyway, that leaves Yuichiro and Yujiro more time to have kids. If Yuichiro was like 18 in 1945 (he looks older but whatever), he's 27 in 1954. I believe Yujiro went around kicking US soldiers in the Vietnam war. That's a long war, but US troops were mostly involved starting 1965 and left in 1973, so let's assume Yujiro was there for a few years during that timespan. Let's assume he was like 16 (I remember faintly that he looked pretty young in some of those pages) at some point when he was in Vietnam. We can reasonnably theorize he was born between 1949 and 1957, which means that, at the youngest, he'd be around 51 years old in 2008 around the time Obama is elected. That actually seems retty reasonnable to me. Yujiro's basically superhuman and I wouldn't be surprised if he was between 50 and 60 by the end of Son of Ogre, but barely looked 40. It also means neither Yuichiro nor Yujiro had kids very young. Doppo, on the other hand, is ancient as fuck. He also had his son really, really old. And fucking tokugawa aged by more than 50 years and barely looks older, what the fuck. Well, that's my take on how old some of the Baki characters are. But this could also be complete bullshit since long after Muhammad Ali retired, just around the time Obama is president, Joe fucking Frazier is a pro boxer fighting Retsu Kaioh for a title shot against Usain Bolt (of all people). Maybe in this Universe, Joe Frazier was born much later, or maybe he underwent some crazy medical experiments that restored him to a much younger age, brought his sight back and allowed him to resume his career at the stunning age of 64 (possibly less if he resumed boxing sooner than in 2008). Seriously, between all that nonsense and the insane lab equipment they have in the Bakiverse and the ability to communicate with the spirits of long dead people, this raises so many questions about that world other than just naked dudes punching each other. |
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