Baki (Grappler/New/Son of Ogre/Dou)

[dannythm]

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mememaster enters the scene!

[onepenguin0]

You beat me by ~15 seconds, you dick.

What a pretty page this is, though.

[shenlong]

Wow, that's hype as fuck.

[boi]

Wait, is Motobe fighting Musashi now?

[shenlong]

At least, I'm guessing he's gonna challenge him and tell him not to take any other dumb asshole's challenge until they fight.

[dannythm]

I hope they fight right away, Memetobe entrance with the sake bottle is badass.

I wonder if there'll be shit under the sand he placed beforehand.

[ungora]

And then Motobe enters the arena, Musashi taunts him while preparing his blade, Motobe throw his bottle on the air, uncover his hidden machinegun and savagely fill Musashi with bullets.
Musashi dies on the spot surprised that someone trolled him more than he trolled other people.

Motobe catch and finish to drink his bottle and walk away.
The End.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=anEuw8F8cpE

My perfect ending to the situation would be just that

[shenlong]

Honestly ? I'm going to be a little bit disappointed if Motobe doesn't pull out a gun at some point.

[jedah]

Aug 31, 2016 11:38:50 GMT shenlong said:

Honestly ? I'm going to be a little bit disappointed if Motobe doesn't pull out a gun at some point.

Yeah, me too. A bunch of Tokugawa's snipers fired tranquilizer darts and somehow knocked out Yujiro, which was one of the only times in the series that he's been vulnerable to something. Perhaps Motobe plans to do something similar to Musashi, with a gun or some kind of concealed weapon.

A powerful sedative or neuromuscular-blocking drug could help level the playing field, and might dull Musashi's god-like reaction time. Plus, Musashi is legitimately injured. Pickle took that huge bite out of his shoulder, which means Motobe should strike while his target is still weak and bleeding.

On a completely separate note, I was not a big fan of seeing Motobe sweep up a wounded Pickle into his loving ninja arms. Itagaki illustrated Motobe and Pickle in a fairly intimate pose, suggesting that Motobe is some kind of warrior-savior-like-figure, and that Pickle is being "saved" by him. However, the reality is that Pickle barely knows Motobe, and cannot communicate with him using language. To my knowledge, there's been almost zero character development between them, unless it was "off screen" and added later. In other words, Pickle and Motobe have no rapport together.

Baki was the only character who had a legitimate "connection" with Pickle. It would make much more sense if the warrior-savior-like figure was Baki, who is actually Pickle's friend, and if he stepped up his game again, and stopped letting Motobe steal all the action.

Edit:
You guys remember Yasha-Zaru, the Night Ape? That's the closest character to Pickle that I can think of. When Yujiro murdered the ape, Baki went into a rage. He desperately wanted revenge, because his friend who made him stronger had died, and Baki had made a unique connection which no other person had.

However, now we're watching Musashi cut Pickle into ribbons, and Baki doesn't seem pissed off about it. Why? No, I mean seriously, why. Baki doesn't seem to be mad at Musashi for killing Retsu, either. Retsu essentially saved him when he was poisoned during the Chinese Tournament.

Look, I love this series, I really do, but that's very poor writing from a character development point of view. Baki is a character with a strong sense of right and wrong. He has a moral compass that Yujiro mocks him for. By all accounts, Baki should have more of a reaction here. Even a man as mature and composed as Shibukawa punched Musashi square in the face for killing his friend Retsu.

[kenaih]

Aug 31, 2016 16:18:53 GMT jedah said:

Aug 31, 2016 11:38:50 GMT shenlong said:

Honestly ? I'm going to be a little bit disappointed if Motobe doesn't pull out a gun at some point.

Yeah, me too. A bunch of Tokugawa's snipers fired tranquilizer darts and somehow knocked out Yujiro, which was one of the only times in the series that he's been vulnerable to something. Perhaps Motobe plans to do something similar to Musashi, with a gun or some kind of concealed weapon.

A powerful sedative or neuromuscular-blocking drug could help level the playing field, and might dull Musashi's god-like reaction time. Plus, Musashi is legitimately injured. Pickle took that huge bite out of his shoulder, which means Motobe should strike while his target is still weak and bleeding.

On a completely separate note, I was not a big fan of seeing Motobe sweep up a wounded Pickle into his loving ninja arms. Itagaki illustrated Motobe and Pickle in a fairly intimate pose, suggesting that Motobe is some kind of warrior-savior-like-figure, and that Pickle is being "saved" by him. However, the reality is that Pickle barely knows Motobe, and cannot communicate with him using language. To my knowledge, there's been almost zero character development between them, unless it was "off screen" and added later. In other words, Pickle and Motobe have no rapport together.

Baki was the only character who had a legitimate "connection" with Pickle. It would make much more sense if the warrior-savior-like figure was Baki, who is actually Pickle's friend, and if he stepped up his game again, and stopped letting Motobe steal all the action.

Edit:
You guys remember Yasha-Zaru, the Night Ape? That's the closest character to Pickle that I can think of. When Yujiro murdered the ape, Baki went into a rage. He desperately wanted revenge, because his friend who made him stronger had died, and Baki had made a unique connection which no other person had.

However, now we're watching Musashi cut Pickle into ribbons, and Baki doesn't seem pissed off about it. Why? No, I mean seriously, why. Baki doesn't seem to be mad at Musashi for killing Retsu, either. Retsu essentially saved him when he was poisoned during the Chinese Tournament.

Look, I love this series, I really do, but that's very poor writing from a character development point of view. Baki is a character with a strong sense of right and wrong. He has a moral compass that Yujiro mocks him for. By all accounts, Baki should have more of a reaction here. Even a man as mature and composed as Shibukawa punched Musashi square in the face for killing his friend Retsu.

I think that's a different case, the Night Ape didn't choose to fight Yujiro, he was murdered for nothing... well, not for nothing... he was murdered so that the Ogre could show Baki the head and watch his reaction while he badly laughed at him. In Retsu's case... it was his decision to fight and was prepared to die... he died as a warrior, not as the victim of some freak who wanted to kill him just to mock his son.

As for Pickle... it was his choice too, he even opted to fast so that he could enjoy more his 'food' target. Now that he has lost his will to keep fighting, it would be lame of Baki not to interfere (but our favorite troll just got earlier the party already). 

[jedah]

Sept 4, 2016 2:51:29 GMT kenaih said:

I think that's a different case, the Night Ape didn't choose to fight Yujiro, he was murdered for nothing... well, not for nothing... he was murdered so that the Ogre could show Baki the head and watch his reaction while he badly laughed at him. In Retsu's case... it was his decision to fight and was prepared to die... he died as a warrior, not as the victim of some freak who wanted to kill him just to mock his son.

As for Pickle... it was his choice too, he even opted to fast so that he could enjoy more his 'food' target. Now that he has lost his will to keep fighting, it would be lame of Baki not to interfere (but our favorite troll just got earlier the party already). 

I hear what you're saying, but I got the impression Pickle didn't want to fight Musashi until he was forced to. Hear me out.

When we first saw Pickle in Baki Dou, he was minding his own business and eating alligators in the sewers. Kinda funny and silly, yeah? Sounds perfect for our caveman adapting in the new world. However, once Musashi saw the news about Pickle, he cut the television in half, and bullied Tokugawa into setting up a meeting with him. Musashi was clearly fascinated by the primal man and wanted a duel, to test his strength.

Their introduction consisted of Musashi taunting him in the lab, after Pickle was literally drugged and dragged away from his new home. The blame goes to all the scientists and Tokugawa as well, who participated in "kidnapping" Pickle. But it's kinda fucked up when you think about it. Can you really say that Pickle "wanted" that fight?  Musashi was the aggressor, not unlike Yujiro in the past. Both seek genuinely strong opponents.

I'll give you Retsu, though. The guy was 100% warrior, and was willing to give up his life before losing his sense of pride and honor as a martial artist. Nevertheless, Baki's lack of reaction is surprising to me. Maybe there will be a big twist, and Baki will step into the ring after Motobe gets dunked on.

[ungora]

If i look onto Baki from a small realism point of view i don't think it's much of a surprise that Baki is less caring or having much less of a sense of justice and fairness in him because if you look what he went through with his life :

Baki fought all his life and even faced really strong opponent in all out punch fight without a care for dodging or blocking and apparently finding it fun to be punched insanely hard in his face, he even did that against Yujiro, a guy that punched the ground strong enough to stop an earthquake, and he went at him in a punch-to-the-head trading session.

This must have left some long lasting damage in Baki's brain, i know that's a manga with absurd body damage that people can recover from, and that the author certainly don't care about adding even some minor level of realism but still, the level of concussion and brain damage must be through the roof.

And that's already enough to impact someone behaviour when one get his brain mangled like that regularly, i always remember Chris Benoit that was a wrestler very respected by his peers and was a good friend to many of them, but after a career of getting concussions after concussions due to the high risk of his movesets, in the end of his career his brain was damaged enough to make him utterly insane, and one day he murdered his wife and his son before killing himself, to the complete surprise of anyone that knew him before.

And in the case of Baki and considering his "punch me in the face super hard" fighting style, it's already surprising he can even walk or talk.

Now that said if i threw all realism out of the window like the author has already done long ago, i agree that Baki not caring much about Pickle getting murdered by a psychopatic serial killer with a katana in a fight he stood no chance at all considering they all know Musashsi is on Yujiro level is annoying character inconsistency.

For Retsu i could understand, after all Retsu wanted to fight completely to the death for reason i have no idea why, maybe he had enough of life and wanted some kind of assisted suicide and Baki probably felt he had to respect Retsu wishes to the end, even if it was utterly stupid from his friend.
Or maybe he didn't believed at the time that Musashi was enjoying so much in slashing people to death.

[shenlong]

Or maybe Baki, in his journey to becoming pretty much his father's equal in strength grew more and more like him, uncaring, cynical and only motivated by the prospect of big fights. He's not quite Yujiro yet, but he's not emotionally sensitive enough anymore to be really shocked a his friend's death.

[onepenguin0]

What shen said. There is a scene nearing the end of SoO wherein Baki was planning to beat the life out of a couple random muggers; something he expressly avoided doing at earlier points in the series. I think the difference between Baki and Yuujiro now is this: Yuujiro looks for reasons to hurt people; Baki won't hurt someone unless they aggress him.

[ungora]

I think there's some truth in Baki becoming slowly like his father, maybe that demon blood in them has some influence when you wake it up, like Baki did under the punching "guidance" of Yujiro in the last fight of Son of Ogre.

But i don't think those Hanma guys are all completely influenced by this, after all Yujiro told Baki during their fight that his own father wasn't viewing life the same as he was doing.

And we saw in the 1st chapter of Kenjin that despite we know he is the same type of unbeatable monstrous weapon of mass destruction as Yujiro, Yuichiro wasn't interested in the grappler type of bloodthirsty neverending fights but was more interested in, as they said in wrestling, "putting his opponents over" even if he could have destroyed them by only sneezing at them, without a care for his pride, something unthinkable for someone like his son.