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Post by ungora on Oct 16, 2021 16:39:17 GMT
Recently spotted this serie that i had never heard about before and quickly thought it could be of interest to report it there. Basically this one is strongly feeling like a "what if Kengan Asura was taking place in medieval Japan" :
In this story we have the shogun (Nobunaga) that is on his last legs wanting to give his throne to a successor. For his own fun he decides that his successor will be the guy that bring him the strongest martial artist. And to do so each of his retainers will have to get a fighter representing him in a tournament, very Kengan like indeed. Each fighters are based on various figures of medieval Japan warring history (Myamoto Musashi, Honda Tadakatsu etc ... ) that will battle in the deathmatches of that tourney
so far there's 5 scanlated chapters in english
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Post by shenlong on Oct 17, 2021 20:59:56 GMT
Looks like it could be a fun little thing to follow.
But seriously, what is up with the tournament fighter genre exploding lately ? First you had Baki that was kind of its own thing and then Kengan Ashura started up, kinda emulating its formula in a more condensed form, and now you have this one, Record of Ragnarok, and Tokyo Duel, that basically go straight to the fights from chapter one. I mean, there's kind of a logic going on, here, if you wanna draw a manga about crazy ass fighters beating the shit out of each other, do you even actually need a story at all ? But like what's next ? Some dadaist half abstract manga where anything outside the fight doesn't even get drawn ? I guess if done well, it could be kinda cool, or like the worst thing ever, or both...
I also don't follow sports manga, but I'm wondering if there's maybe something that was taken from them. HnI is a little like that, and you have mangas like Eyeshield 21 that tend to culminate in big tournaments, except there was a whole series worth of buildup, when this just cuts to the chase.
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Post by ungora on Oct 17, 2021 22:24:17 GMT
I guess that's the same old creativity problem that has plagued manga since it exists : an author create a very original story and manage to get commercially successfull (i mean his book is very popular) -> you can bet there will be dozen of mangas author that will copy its formula with more or less success.
Like that "isekai" genre with the "character find himself suddenly in another world" that have been found in several hundred of mangas if not more.
Some more creative or more developped and interesting than other of course, some being complete garbage.
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Post by ungora on Oct 27, 2021 18:42:26 GMT
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Post by dannythm on Oct 28, 2021 16:00:53 GMT
Well, it's a fun read and the art is great, but it will be too short of a stroy if ther are only 16 warriors, I guess it's either thought as that, ot it will eventually branch into something else.
Also, I'm unsure if I like this depiction of Musashi, I'm way to fond of both Itagaki and Inoue interpretantions of him. Also it feels rushed he will unleash his "full power" in the very first fight.
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Post by shenlong on Oct 29, 2021 16:41:15 GMT
I'm not against this Musashi. The Baki version was very cool and original, but this is interesting too. Reminds me a little of how Kojiro was in Inoue's work actually. And nah, he hasn't shown everything, not even close. It would have been stranger for Tadakatsu to win given that he's had a series of powerups, all described at length by the audience.
Aside from that, it does seem like the story will be short, but I'm fine with that, I guess.
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Post by ungora on Nov 1, 2021 23:09:28 GMT
While i'm more used to see a Musashi in his prime or slightly past it in mangas, i was surprised to see this young adult version of the character still works there for me as by being younger the author has more room to work with the character before he gets into the "classic" swordmaster characterization.
But i must say that despite all i was actually expecting Honda to win this one for a change from the usual "Musashi is the bestest" , but even so it has been a rather epic duel and the art served it well. I hope the next fight will be as good (as frankly the "nubonaga is an insane old bloodthristry bastard and wants to get a successor decided by a bloody tournament" story isn't really the appeal of this manga, so to sustain it the fight really needs to be great).
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Post by dannythm on Nov 2, 2021 14:56:56 GMT
In any case the twist is already laid, we know that in history it was Tokugawa to take over the goverment after Nobunaga, and his champion lost in the first round, so, if they want to folow history, I'm curious to see how they are going to work this out.
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Post by shenlong on Nov 2, 2021 16:09:42 GMT
In any case the twist is already laid, we know that in history it was Tokugawa to take over the goverment after Nobunaga, and his champion lost in the first round, so, if they want to folow history, I'm curious to see how they are going to work this out. They can't follow history, already. Nobunaga died at 48, way before he was that old, and he never reached the point where he was that powerful and never actually unified Japan, although he came closer than most. This is already a big departure from real history. Apparently, Akechi Mitsuhide, the one who took him down in the end, is one of the participants, so I assume he never turned on him in this continuity. Even Uesugi Kagekatsu is here, his father, Uesugi Kenshin having been one of the big enemies of Nobunaga. I would asume Kenshin still died but at some point, Nobunaga unified Japan and allowed his previous foes to serve him. |
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Post by dannythm on Nov 3, 2021 9:22:32 GMT
I guess it all depends on what points of history they want to keep, if any at all.
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Post by ungora on Nov 3, 2021 19:37:23 GMT
I don't think that serie is trying to keep up with history, after all in the 2 first chapter there's that mention "this is not history as we know it".
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Post by ungora on Nov 12, 2021 19:53:21 GMT
new Tenkaichi chapter : mangadex.org/chapter/23cdeac1-6374-4f91-96ff-3b5406fa469bThe presentation of the next fight, Fuma Kotaro vs Toda Seigen. For some reason unlike the historical one Fuma Kotaro is a woman there, i guess the workaround is that in this Tenkaichi manga "Fuma Kotaro" isn't a character anymore but a name passed through generations in the Fuma ninja clan. Hopefully the fight will be as good as the first one as both character are hyped as very strong in that chapter. But i hope at some point there will be someone that will punch the announcer "guy" face to death, can't stand that crappy stupid "character". |
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Post by shenlong on Nov 12, 2021 23:45:48 GMT
Actually, the historical Kotaro was the fifth Fuma Kotaro so that kind of checks out. Here, the author just made up a sixth one. And the announcer is Mori Ranmaru, one of Nobunaga's most (of not the most) loyal retainers, and kind of popularly assumed to have been his lover (homosexual relationships between samurai was pretty common and accepted, if not something to advertise publicly), so while that depiction is particularly flamboyant, I can see the logic there.
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Post by ungora on Nov 13, 2021 14:55:08 GMT
It's not that the character is gay that is getting on my nerves.
It's how ridiculously stupid it is to have that guy making those stupid comments mixed with getting an erection every couple of pages, in comparison to how serious the fights are characterized.
Would the fights have been comical or whatever non-serious, it wouldn't have been so much out of place.
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Post by dannythm on Nov 13, 2021 21:43:45 GMT
Well, I guess it's the way to add some comic relief between the tension of the fights, but I agree that it falls short, not to say that is has failed miserably for now.
I'm glad that they have already cleared up that this won't even attempt to follow history in the most board sense and that Tokugawa won't be the one ruling japan after this, so the outcome might surprise us.
Anyway, I don't particularly care much for this fight, and I don't think the author do either, rather the thing I'm thinking about is which of them will pose a more interesting encounter for Musashi. His fight vs the Kurisagama guy in Vagabound, Shishido Baiken, was good, so they might go the opposite route here and pit him agaisnt the blind samurai for some way of the sword lessons.
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