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Post by shenlong on Feb 10, 2019 23:05:11 GMT
What? That was when SHamo was at it's peak and Narushima a most interesting character than whatever happened afterwards. Yeah no. I don't consider a manga where the protagonist, who we're supposed to empathize at least a little with, straight up rapes a female character that is basically only in the story so she can be raped so he can convice another character to fight him, to be "at it's peak", or it's a really, really low and disgusting peak. Now, maybe it becomes even worse down the line, but I wouldn't know because I basically stopped reading when I realize that crime would pretty much never be acknowledged and the protagonist would never actually have to deal with or regret it. And you know, I love Berserk, so it's not like the existence of rape in a story automatically kills it, but while Berserk can be pretty damn exploitative at times, things like rape are, like, a really bad thing that happens to actual characters, not just a substitute for text messaging between two dudes. |
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Post by dannythm on Feb 11, 2019 19:17:18 GMT
What? That was when SHamo was at it's peak and Narushima a most interesting character than whatever happened afterwards. Yeah no. I don't consider a manga where the protagonist, who we're supposed to empathize at least a little with, straight up rapes a female character that is basically only in the story so she can be raped so he can convice another character to fight him, to be "at it's peak", or it's a really, really low and disgusting peak. Now, maybe it becomes even worse down the line, but I wouldn't know because I basically stopped reading when I realize that crime would pretty much never be acknowledged and the protagonist would never actually have to deal with or regret it. And you know, I love Berserk, so it's not like the existence of rape in a story automatically kills it, but while Berserk can be pretty damn exploitative at times, things like rape are, like, a really bad thing that happens to actual characters, not just a substitute for text messaging between two dudes. Ahh waht a shame that you couln't see what Shamo was going for, it's not for everyone, as not everoyone can deal with stepping into the shoes of someone as Narushima. That darkness is scary. |
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Post by shenlong on Feb 12, 2019 22:02:22 GMT
You can be dark without being exploitative, you can write about terrible topics without being obtuse about them, and Shamo was both when the author wrote that part. I don't think the darkness in that event of the manga was scary. The prison part was scary, Narushima in general was already fucked up enough. That particular part was just sad and baffling on the part of the author. I wanted to know what was going to happen to him before that, he was an interesting, although not likeable character. Then he went full supervillain and I lost interest. It was shocking, it was horrible, but it was also cheap and exploitative.
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Post by dannythm on Feb 12, 2019 22:25:40 GMT
Seems it hit you pretty hard, I thought it was just a logical step for Narushima, and he got exactly what we wanted for making that move. Anyway, he has some consequences for his actions aftwerwards.
We shouyld move to the / a Shamo thread and stop hijacking the Kengan thread tho.
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Post by onepenguin0 on Feb 13, 2019 1:02:55 GMT
But there's nothing to discuss about Kengan, what with these weekly expository releases.
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Post by dannythm on Feb 14, 2019 18:14:01 GMT
But there's nothing to discuss about Kengan, what with these weekly expository releases. Well, I made a post proposing some fighters to represent the kengan matches in case someone wanted to play the prediction game, I guess it got buried: THey set up the tournament so quickly this time arround, but I agree with the decision, no need to messa rroudn to introduce the world like in the first series anymore so, pick your 13 fighters for the Kengan asociation and some candidates to have turned to the other side: Kengan: - Imai Cosmo - Gaoh Ryuki or Narushima, maybe both (will count only 1 spot for now). - Wakatsuki Takeshi - Gaolang Wongsawat - Kure Raian - Akoya Seishu - Kono Haruo - Mikazuchi Rei - Rihito (the Beard won't directly participate but will have an off-the tournament fight.) - Hatsumi Sen The 3 -4 free spots will be for new characters. Purgatory fighters that were former Kengan: - Muteba - Kanoh Agito - Setsuna - Yoroizuka Saw Paing if only to have a chance to fight vs Gaolang. In addition we will have the third party "evil is on the move" to set up some chaos. |
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Post by ungora on Feb 21, 2019 18:26:29 GMT
I hope if the author will be using him he's not going to have Kuroki job to anyone in the new tournament, the guy proved he was the strongest in the first serie it would be stupid to have such character job to a "new strong guy" just to establish new guy as a threat.
I wonder if we're going to see that evil Niko that taught some tricks to Setsuna, i know the guy is supposed to have died in battle with the Niko that was Ohma martial master but we never saw a corpse, so it is not impossible this guy will have an appearance.
Anyways, i find very interesting that for Kengan Omega the main character isn't some super strong guy like Ohma was from the start and is way over his head regarding his ability in the Kengan high level fighting world, it leaves a lot of room for character development for him (and of course ability progression)
Of course there's that not-Ohma-but-come on-that's-the-same-guy character but i sure hope the story will not focus on this one.
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Post by dannythm on Feb 21, 2019 23:03:51 GMT
For now, I'm liking what I'm seeing, and I hope this time arround the stroy spreads over several characters, and not have a prominent fighter MC, but rather focus on Yamashita and Nogi.
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Post by jettatore on Feb 22, 2019 2:21:50 GMT
I would say that the only character that deserves to beat Kuroki is the Real-Niko, or the character that appears at the end of the first series (which I suppose is Real-Niko, and the authors simply wanted to generate suspense by not showing his face).
And maybe we have Koga and Ryuki as protagonists duo, and they alternate in the fights during the series. The problem is that Koga is not ready for the tournament with the other association, and I guess Kazuo is going to choose only Ryuki for that tournament.
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Post by onepenguin0 on Feb 22, 2019 14:56:08 GMT
Do you guys like Kouga? Because he irritates me. Not enough to put me off the series or something, but enough so that I don't really want to read/hear his perspective of events. It isn't that he's new; it's that, as those of someone who is new to 'the Kengan world', his observations and thoughts are predictable. We've seen his apparent archetype before. As a character he isn't 'wrong'; he's just obvious. pick your 13 fighters for the Kengan asociation and some candidates to have turned to the other side I don't think I'll make a full list, but I'd like to see more of the characters who didn't get to shine. Karou Yoshinari - the fisherman - for one. Eriou is an angry enough person to maybe want to participate. While I would surely like to see Muteba fighting again, the problem is that we've essentially seen the limits of his trickery: he can't have added more senses or something. Hell, from what we're seeing now, even Kokurou might be an interesting candidate for the team. It's too hard/early to decide or even guess, methinks.
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Post by ungora on Feb 22, 2019 17:21:55 GMT
We probably are going to see new fighters on the Kengan side too, mostly because i imagine due to the no rules of the Kengan fights many of the competitors have been massively injured enough to either be forced into retirement (i doubt someone like Robinson that had his neck very broken can continue to take part of this kind of battle) or get too old to continue such a fighting career due to various circumstance (age , lingering injuries stockpiling with the years etc..) By example Kuroki proved all he wanted to prove and avenged his friend against Setsuna before deciding to not kill the bugger, i think it would make sense for him to just live his life in retirement and continue to teach to the students he refuse to take  Could allow Rihito to make a very noticable comeback to represent his new "master school" . All these things could allow for more new characters to come, the author have been able to build even short lived characters to be interesting and charismatic enough, so i'm sure he can come with new character of such caliber. |
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Post by dannythm on Feb 23, 2019 23:59:23 GMT
I'd like to see the fight we missed between Agito and Wakatsuki.
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Post by dannythm on Feb 28, 2019 21:39:04 GMT
Gotta say I'm liking howw quickly the style of not-Omha is evolving and getting his own personality, let's see how the story evolves, because I just read the final volumes extras and... I'm hyped.
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Post by shenlong on Mar 2, 2019 11:51:02 GMT
I liked blonde Karate guy at the start, but he's a bit one note so far. Not-Ohma not super engaging either, but I really like how the author took a visually nearly identical character and gave him a totally different personality and style.
Still, I would have prefered a sequel that followed Rihito. Parallels have been made in the manga between him and Kouga, but Rihito's way more fun as character so far.
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Post by dannythm on Mar 2, 2019 20:29:12 GMT
I liked blonde Karate guy at the start, but he's a bit one note so far. Not-Ohma not super engaging either, but I really like how the author took a visually nearly identical character and gave him a totally different personality and style. Still, I would have prefered a sequel that followed Rihito. Parallels have been made in the manga between him and Kouga, but Rihito's way more fun as character so far. I think Rihito is too powerful and has a too much simple story to be an enigmatic / engaging MC, so I like the idea of having someone new. |
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